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  1. Healistic

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    Rejecting Hygiene is a definite NO NO. who says that Jesus did not use Hygiene for healing. Jesus may well have washed his hands after a healing session.

    As for the line
    This is IMHO not true. If MBE believed so much in Genesis then she would have read that god created the earth and all things on it, which unless I am missing the point means that God created all the natural drugs within the plants etc. Which would IMO been used by mankind and animals since the beginning of time, and many of these natural drugs have been used by many Pharmaceuticals. You could also say that as god created man, so he created mans ability to evolve. so IMHO In giving man that ability then science and medicine will also evolve. I do not therefore accept that being a believer in any faith will protect you from all ills. Yes I accept that there exists the word psychosomatic. But to believe that faith can directly cure all disease and illness is IMHO is very dangerous and decidedly not Christian nor Science.
     
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  2. myarka

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    IMO These statements need to be put into context, have a look at some of the medical timelines published on the internet. In the 1860s very few linked hygene to health and many still thought diseases were transmitted through foul smells. Even aspirin hadn't been invented and the world had to wait to the next century before antibotics came in to regular use. Blood letting was still common place for many of common diseases.

    The medical world was nothing like modern medicine and it was likely that if someone suffered from a serious disease or injury, they would die. Therefore, if someone survived or recovered it was seen as a miracle or God's will. So it would be highly probable if MBE lived in a different era, she may have drawn different conclusions.

    I find these reports of healing interesting because it's like the person who plays the slot machines, they tell you they win, but they don't tell you when they don't. The biggest killer before the 20th century was infant mortality (IM) and still birth as it is now in the developing world. I would love to see some emperical data to show how CS has made a difference to IM without improving hygene?

    Myarka.
     
  3. Fudge

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    Many thanks for the responses, Venetian I too use wiki as a quick reference, there were many, many more but I wanted to start somewhere.

    Healistic and Myarka your opinions on how we evolve, putting thoughts and actions into the context of time are very easy to understand, whilst the slot machine makes perfect sense to me.

    Fudge
     
  4. Principled

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    We're rather off-topic!

    Hi folks,

    This was started as a thread on the Religion/Faiths pages for spiritual seekers to reassure them, in the midst of all this fear of contagion, that there is a spiritual means of protecting oneself. I have nowhere said we should not follow practical wisdom and hygiene to avoid contagion. However, this thread is now veering :eek:fftopic:

    On post 1, I included a number of links to articles about the nocebo effect, selling of sickness etc. But as another article stated:

    I'm not going to start trying to defend Christian Science here, or answer all of your points - this is not the purpose of this thread. I may, if I find time, write something on the Christianity pages later (but then, quite honestly, you're probably all sick to death of this subject by now!) :D.

    However, I feel that some further clarification is necessary:

    First, it's very unfair to judge something when you have no personal knowledge of it and are just using a few quotes (often out of context) from various web sites, some of which, as Venetian pointed out, can be quite hostile (misunderstandings abound out there.)

    Second, as Myarka says, health and hygiene were very different in the 19th century. This link gives you a glimpse of what a lottery life was: http://www.victorianweb.org/science/health/health10.html

    People who went to hospital often didn't come out. In fact, Florence Nightingale (who lived at exactly the same time as Mary Baker Eddy and who is mentioned in Science and Health) said:
    (I'm researching her life at the moment as part of the Great Lives Exhibition I wrote about a few months ago. She was a deep spiritual thinker as well as reforming health care through hygiene as she did. Here are some more quotes I find interesting:)
    Now I don't want to start a discussion on FN here either!

    OK, to get back to the allegation (false) that we reject hygiene. Here are some excerpts from Science and Health, the textbook of Christian Science:

    Here, Mary Baker Eddy quotes from a letter she had recieved:

    "I should have died, but for the glorious Principle you teach, --supporting the power of Mind over the body and showing me the nothingness of the so-called pleasures and pains of sense. The treatises I had read and the medicines I had taken only abandoned me to more hopeless suffering and despair. Adherence to hygiene was useless. Mortal mind needed to be set right. The ailment was not bodily, but mental, and I was cured when I learned my way in Christian Science."

    What was termed "hygiene" then, was also a form of physical cure, which included hydropathy and the therapies of constant scrubbing and "rubbing to alter the secretions or to remove unhealthy exhalations from the cuticle" (some of the alternative treatments that MBE had tried in her search out of invalidism after the allopathic medicine of her day had failed her.)

    She continues after the letter quote:

    We need a clean body and a clean mind,--a body rendered pure by Mind as well as washed by water. (S&H 383)

    "Cleanliness is next to godliness," but washing should be only for the purpose of keeping the body clean... Water is not the natural habitat of humanity. I insist on bodily cleanliness within and without. I am not patient with a speck of dirt; (S&H 413)


    Crumbs, she should see my house! :eek:

    Also, let me try to explain why we do not combine physical treatment with our metaphysical system. First of all, we have the highest regard for what all medical practitioners are trying to do - after all, we all have the same aim - to relieve suffering. However, the two systems start from opposite premises and to try to combine them would be like trying to go on a sea voyage, with one foot in the boat and the other on the land! You end up not going anywhere and you could end up very wet too! :p

    Trying to combine a treatment which begins from the basis of the reality of matter with one that begins with the reality of Spirit alone, isn't fair to either system and they actually work against each other. Having said that, we make our own decisions and if someone decides to have medical treatment if their metaphysical work hasn't been effective, that's fine. (As I said above, no, we do not have a 100% success rate - neither do doctors, and even Jesus' disciples who had the greatest teacher ever, weren't able to heal sometimes, like in Matt 17)

    Many medical practitioners have become Christian Science practitioners. Their search for the meaning of life has been fulfilled and can be combined with what they love - helping to alleviate suffering and in a very practical and effective way.

    Here is a link to an interesting article in the archives of HP (which is not at all religious). It's an interview with Dr. Robert Ennemoser, who was first a biologist, then a homeopath:
    In a past issue of the Christian Science Sentinel, there is an interview with a former neurologist, titled “To be disease-free, learn about health.” He was very successful in his career, with offices in both Europe and Russia, yet he was dissatisfied at a deep spiritual level – he was searching. One day, at the hospital, he looked at the medical books on the shelves:
    He is now a CS practitioner.

    I don't know whether they are still continuing, but during the 90's and early 2000's, talks on Christian Science were given at the Spirituality & Healing in Medicine conference, presented semi-annually by Harvard Medical School and The Mind/Body Institute of Deaconess Hospital, and jointly sponsored by the John Templeton Foundation. This is one of those talks which gives a good background:

    Spiritual essence of the writings of Mary Baker Eddy


    In this talk, Virginia Harris describes Mrs Eddy's great discovery in 1866, talks about how to pray effectively, then discusses in depth her own healing of the effects of a serious car crash and also of a fourteen year old called Linda who had been diagnosed with an arterial venous malformation. Here's an excerpt from Linda's healing:

    Please read the whole talk to get all the details, but bascally, the outcome was that she was cured within three months. Today as an adult, she's married with two chldren.

    Well, I hadn't intended to write so much - sorry! :rolleyes: But I hope you are now all assured that hygiene is a normal part of life for Christian Scientists and that we do not "reject" material medicine - it's just that, from experience, we have found that God is the greatest phyician! :p

    Love and peace,

    Judy
     
  5. Principled

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    I have been thinking about how Jesus approached contagion. With Peter’s mother-in-law, who was suffering from a high fever, he “rebuked the fever” (no fear there – only authority!) and she was instantaneously healed and got up and waited on them. I’ve had so many instantaneous healings like that, so can certainly relate to it.

    Then, how did Jesus approach lepers – a condition much feared as highly contagious in his day? Well, he reached out and touched them. That was unheard of – again, showing his compassion and total lack of fear, based on his understanding that there is a higher law and power than the laws of matter.

    This week’s featured free broadcast from Christian Science RadioSentinel is titled:
    ‘Freedom from contagion’ and different speqkers share how they are praying.

    It should remain online for three weeks from today (to the end of May) If anyone wants to learn more about the mental nature of contagion and disease and how to protect yourself through prayer, here is the link to the page

    http://www.spirituality.com/sentinel-radio/index.jhtml;jsessionid=O0GNZPHLTZ52NKGL4LYCFEQ

    and then you need to click on:

    Freedom from contagion #907

    Love and peace,

    Judy
     
  6. Principled

    Principled Well-Known Member

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    This cute photo arrived in my In-box this morning and I couldn't resist trying to attach it (this is my first attempt)

    In the spirit of Proverbs 17:22:
    " A merry heart doeth good like a medicine:
    but a broken spirit drieth the bones."




    :rollaugh:

    Judy
     

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    lol that's a funny picture!
    :D:D:D
     
  8. Principled

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    Just popped back as I noticed today that the audio programme "Freedom from contagion #907" is still on http://www.spirituality.com/sentinel-radio/.

    I now realise they are they for three months, not weeks as I thought! It's a series of interviews with people discussing this subject, and sharing healings. it last just under half an hour.

    Love and peace,

    Judy
     
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    I’ve just been listening to this talk by Mark Swinney. His lectures are always inspiring and he’s had some remarkable healings. I feel that he explains quite well here how to pray effectively (including freedom from ‘flu symptoms):

    Spiritual healing—more than a matter of faith
    (The talk is about an hour long)

    This is a good article and healing of his: Existence—the eternal now

    A few years ago, I went to one of his talks and wrote down notes afterwards. (Mr Swinney has given me permission to share this)

    The talk was about effective prayer and the difference between the prayer of petition – that most use and prayer as we understand it in Christian Science – the prayer of affirmation. He started off talking about the disciples asking Jesus why they hadn’t been able to heal the epileptic boy. He went on to describe how Jesus said " Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgement." and explained what that meant.

    He told of how he and his family went to a museum in Florence where they had a model of the Universe by Ptolemy which had the earth as the centre of the Universe and he explained that if you tried to make calculations from it they would always be wrong as the premise was wrong. He also told of visiting the Sistine Chapel in Rome and the painting of Creation by Michaelangelo and how because people used deductive reasoning, they felt that as Adam was created material by God "in His image and likeness" that therefore God had a material body too, so he painted the ceiling with the famous painting of the two fingers not quite meeting. (The belief of man separated from God, when actually, we are one.)

    He quoted from Science and Health 262 "The foundation of mortal discord is a false sense of man's origin." so he said you could reason that the foundation of harmony is a correct sense of man’s origin.." Using the parts in the Bible where God is called Spirit, Life and Mind and explaining how we are God’s thoughts, the perfect expression of His being he explained about prayer in Christian Science, being so clear that there is never any problem to pray about, just the need to yield to Jesus words "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect."

    He ended telling of two healings in his own family. He had a deformed foot and stated praying the prayer of petition which had no result. Then he found Christian Science and understood we need to go higher than the prayer of petition for our prayers to be affective. We need the prayer of affirmation – to affirm our wholeness and completeness as the image and likeness of God. He started praying with S&H 244 "Inasmuch as God is good and the fount of all being, He does not produce moral or physical deformity; therefore such deformity is not real, but is illusion, the mirage of error." and prayed with that statement of truth for years and years, feeling inspired but then looking at the foot to check whether it had been healed. Finally, he was still and listened and God said something like this to him "Why do you keep telling me about your foot Mark? Don’t you know I created you perfect?"

    He then understood that as Mary Baker Eddy says on p 372 of S&H: "How, then, …. can we believe in the reality and power of both Truth and error, Spirit and matter, and hope to succeed with contraries? " A few days later, while putting on his shoes and socks he saw that the foot was completely normal.

    The next healing was of his newborn daughter who was born with both feet deformed. He realised that somewhere along the line he had allowed the belief that he had had something to do with her creation to enter his thought which gave it all the baggage of DNA etc. By the next day, the baby had two perfect feet and later took up ballet dancing.

    And here’s an article that mentions this healing:

    I confess: I'm spiritual. And so are you.


    Love and peace,

    Judy
     
  10. scommstech

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    Hi Judy
    I'm a little late into this thread, but would you mind explaining why you think that homeopathy is just a mind influence, and not a result of some organic effect. Is it because Mrs Eddy thought so.

    Please keep in mind that Quantum theory, string theory, and the mathematically proved dimension theories were not available during Mrs Eddy's time. Nor were the computer models that show planetary configurations unique to earthy events.
     
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    Hi Scomm, I'm on holiday at the moment, without all my usual files and search tools, so it would be difficult to answer you until I get home next week. However, can you tell me why you think that homeopathy works?

    Thanks

    Judy
     
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    Hi Judy

    I know that you are CS and as such abide by Mrs Eddy's teachings.
    However, if I am correct, Mrs Eddy acknowledges homeopathy as having a limited influence. She did not dismiss it outright.

    Many years ago I tried homeopathy in an attempt to resolve a very difficult problem. I had no actual faith in the process, but suddenly noticed that the irritating symptoms were gone. I have since used homeopathy with less than remarkable results.

    After being involved with, and trying to unlock the science of Spiritualism , I directed my reasoning towards Homeopathy.

    The first thing that I concluded was that the skill of homeopathy diagnosis was far more complex than conventional medicine, and in my opinion is the reason that homeopathy does not have as good a track record as it should have.

    I may not be supported with the following but I have never heard a better explanation of how it works.

    First, every organ or tissue sample in the (mortal) body operates at its own resonant frequency, or in some cases multiple frequencies. It is the job of the practitioner to identify what is the root cause of the in harmony, be it an organ, or some other bodily part. He then has to match a corresponding resonant substance. This is where "like for like" appears.

    My theory uses the science that resonances, if in phase amplify, and can correct distortion. (bring it in phase). I conject that it is this process that realigns the dis harmony in the body.

    Many theorists argue that the dilutions are too small as to be of consequence. This is where Quantum mechanics has thrown new light as mathematically new levels of energies have been identified, much smaller than was previously thought. Resonances work best when the fundamental wavelengths match. The fundamental wavelengths of the body are probably far smaller than previously thought., so the more dilute the potion the better the effect. Maybe even getting down to memory levels.

    Post material science appears to be the new kid on the block as regards knowledge in attempting to bridge the gap between thought and matter Metaphysics.

    Getting back to CS. I have not yet abandoned a belief that even as mortal man is regarded as a thought projection, albeit a counterfeit image. There is a divine acknowledgment of the existence of an obligation of mortal man that happens to present itself as what we see as mortal man.

    Thoughts are exchangeable and the science of homeopathy in my opinion touches on this. A mind influence could be reasonably involved but at what point does the mind and matter cross....

    I do concur however that properly understood and applied CS must be as a searchlight to a homeopathic candle.

    Regards
     
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  13. Charis

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    Hello Scommstech,

    From what I know of Mary Baker Eddy's life (I'm also a Christian Scientist), she practised homeopathy quite extensively, and experimented with it a good deal, before her discovery (as she called it) of Christian Science. Like many theorists, as you mentioned, she concluded that in homeopathy "the drug is frequently attenuated to such a degree that not a vestige of it remains. Thus we learn that it is not the drug which expels the disease or changes one of the symptoms of disease." (Science and Health (S&H), pp. 152-3)

    It's an intriguing theory you brought up, that at the "quantum" level, perhaps matter and energy work in different ways and so the most minute doses really are more effective. Mrs Eddy came to a different conclusion, however, when she found her homeopathic treatments to be effective not only when they were more diluted (attenuated), but when the "drug" she used was a substance with no medicinal properties, like salt or sugar! :p

    Here are a couple of passages in which she describes these experiences:


    The author has attenuated Natrum muriaticum (common table-salt) until there was not a single saline property left. The salt had "lost his savour;" and yet, with one drop of that attenuation in a goblet of water, and a teaspoonful of the water administered at intervals of three hours, she has cured a patient sinking in the last stage of typhoid fever. The highest attenuation of homoeopathy and the most potent rises above matter into mind. This discovery leads to more light. From it maybe learned that either human faith or the divine Mind is the healer and that there is no efficacy in a drug. (S&H p. 153)

    A case of dropsy, given up by the faculty, fell into my hands. It was a terrible case. Tapping had been employed, and yet, as she lay in her bed, the patient looked like a barrel. I prescribed the fourth attenuation of Argentum nitratum with occasional doses of a high attenuation of Sulphuris. She improved perceptibly. Believing then somewhat in the ordinary theories of medical practice, and learning that her former physician had prescribed these remedies, I began to fear an aggravation of symptoms from their prolonged use, and told the patient so; but she was unwilling to give up the medicine while she was recovering. It then occurred to me to give her unmedicated pellets and watch the result. I did so, and she continued to gain. Finally she said that she would give up her medicine for one day, and risk the effects. After trying this, she informed me that she could get along two days without globules; but on the third day she again suffered, and was relieved by taking them. She went on in this way, taking the unmedicated pellets, — and receiving occasional visits from me, — but employing no other means, and she was cured. (S&H p. 156)


    From experiences like these, Mrs Eddy concluded that the efficacy of homeopathy - and ultimately of any matter-based remedy - derives from the doctor's faith in the drug, the patient's faith in the drug and/or the doctor, or even from the weight of humankind's collective belief in the beneficial (or detrimental) effects of particular material substances. Essentially, she was exploring the placebo effect, decades before it was given that name.

    I can think of an article or two about the placebo effect, and the puzzles it raises, from a medical perspective - I'll be happy to look them up again and post the links if you or others are interested. But the point here is, Mrs Eddy eventually concluded that true and complete healing comes from stepping right out of this model of a human mind influencing a physical body, and instead recognising oneself as the wholly spiritual creation of God, the one all-good divine Mind.

    I've only once tried a homeopathic remedy myself, well before I knew about Christian Science healing: garlic and horseradish capsules for chronic hayfever. I can tell you their only noticeable effect was a bad taste in my mouth! Some "mainstream" medications helped somewhat, but I'd already noticed that their effectiveness seemed to vary according to whether or not I believed they would work. (There was one brand of tablet my mum swore worked for her; I didn't like it at all - another bad-tasting one - and sure enough, it didn't work for me.) Christian Science, on the other hand, finally freed me.

    Sorry this is a bit long, but I hope it's all helpful! :)

    All love, Charis
     
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  14. scommstech

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    Hi Charis

    I couldn't agree more with your post....The only observation I would add is from my own reasoning.

    Many scientific minded people are now becoming aware of the very strong possibility of a connection between what is considered mind and what is considered matter. I cannot see God, not making himself available to any presentation (mortal man). For this to be true mortal mind (awareness) has to have divine recognition.....

    If as is now being suspected by the scientific fraternity, awareness or thought has an empathy with matter then God must be sympathetic to matter. Hence the availability of Spiritual, and placebo type healings to mortal man, albeit through thought process...

    But, as Christian Scientist are proving, the Spiritual is the more potent why then bother with placebos or homeopathy. As Mrs Eddy said, why seek the squire, when the king is available.

    Regards
     
  15. Principled

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    Hi Scomm,

    I'm back, but not yet with the time I need. Charis gave you an excellent answer and I'm sure I can join in there, but was just wondering what you meant by this:

    With the progress in natural sciences, here is an article you may find interesting:Do the sciences have a monopoly on truth?

    Love and peace,

    Judy
     
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    Hi JUdy, Glad to see you back.

    The model I'm referring to is a computer model of the universe designed to study planetary magnetic (energy) fields with a view to finding out if, and how, man is effected by these fields. Similar to the navigational abilities demonstrated by migrating birds and other species. The model was commissioned by an astronomer. The model was capable of turning back the clock on planetary configurations, and the astronomer moved the date to the time of Jesus.

    The model showed in the year approx AD-3 a triple planetary conjunction..A conjunction is when all the planets line up, and to earth would appear as a single bright star. He believed that this would happen every 2000 years, becoming part of our Zodiac.

    This is what he believed was the signal that led the wise men to seek out Jesus. They did not know it was Jesus. The stars configuration only told them of a great birth in Judah.

    This to me was the conformation of the birth of a very great man, who we now know was Jesus. I have always preferred a scientific proof to blind faith..

    This also led me to consider that the universe is not haphazard and in a sense has it's own form of intelligence...It was created, or is a result of God's idea.

    On the CS forum there is a thread "Post Material Science". The link is to a society that is attempting to organize a complete rethink on the concept of matter and thought (spirit). That forum is willing to examine ideas from all faiths in an attempt to understand the interaction between thought and matter.

    They are not in a sense looking at the dream from within the dream rather acknowledging that we may be limited by our material dream, and consequentially need to consider all ideas for a better holistic understanding. Hence the inclusion of faith concepts.

    CS's main thrust is in the field of healing, through the understanding of the true idea of man, as God's creation. But it may not stop there, as God's ideas and creations by definition have to be unlimited.

    Phew

    Back to you.
    Regards .
     
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    That's interesting. There have also been many archeological discoveries that confirm places and times of accounts in the Bible. While we have to be aware that most Bible accounts came from oral history and events were often not written down for decades, so details may differ, it's the spiritual thread of the superioriity of the power of Spirit over matter that I feel is most important. Thanks to Christian Science and the healings that are happening every day, all over the world, I have no problem believing those accounts in the Bible to be true. However Scomm, you are reminding me of old Thomas: ;)

    John 20:
    24 One of the twelve disciples, Thomas (nicknamed the Twin), was not with the others when Jesus came.
    25 They told him, “We have seen the Lord!” But he replied, “I won’t believe it unless I see the nail wounds in his hands, put my fingers into them, and place my hand into the wound in his side.”
    26 Eight days later the disciples were together again, and this time Thomas was with them. The doors were locked; but suddenly, as before, Jesus was standing among them. “Peace be with you,” he said.
    27 Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here, and look at my hands. Put your hand into the wound in my side. Don’t be faithless any longer. Believe!”
    28 “My Lord and my God!” Thomas exclaimed.
    29 Then Jesus told him, “You believe because you have seen me. Blessed are those who believe without seeing me.”

    Well I don't know what all this has to do with swine flu, but there you are! :)

    Judy
     
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    Hi again Scommstech,

    I would say Christian Science definitely doesn't stop there! :D

    Healing may be the most outwardly obvious feature of Christian Science's practice, but Mrs Eddy makes clear throughout her writings - and I would agree even from my relatively limited experience - that it isn't really the main thrust. The main thrust of Christian Science is actually to discover the unlimited nature of God and of His/Her ideas. And that is where healing in Christian Science comes from. Every time some kind of disease or discord is overturned and healed through scientific prayer, it's because - even if we ourselves don't fully comprehend it at the time! - a clearer glimpse of that unlimited, pure, spiritual reality has broken through.

    Judy, I agree, this discussion seems to have gone a long way off swine flu, but at least it's still about spiritual healing and how it works! ;)

    All love, Charis
     
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    Hi everyone, while doing an internet search for Nocebos today, this thread from over ten years ago seemed very topical with the epidemic of fear that is encircling the world today.

    Sadly many of the links here don't work any more, but I'll look up any that I feel would be helpful and re-post them.

    I'll leave this for a while so you have a chance to read through and then pop back. Meanwhile, this is the sort of epidemic we should decide to start:

    Smiling Is Infectious
    Author Unknown


    Smiling is infectious,
    you catch it like the flu,
    When someone smiled at me today,
    I started smiling too.


    I passed around the corner
    and someone saw my grin.
    When he smiled I realized
    I'd passed it on to him.


    I thought about that smile,
    then I realized its worth.
    A single smile, just like mine
    could travel round the earth.


    So, if you feel a smile begin,
    don't leave it undetected.
    Let's start an epidemic quick,
    and get the world infected!
     
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    I apologise everyone. Back in March, when COVID19 was spreading in Europe and America, I promised I would come back and update some of the links that no longer worked, but I've been a bit busy with the 91st Psalm...
    So here are a few.

    Since this author had this instantaneous healing of flu, he's been free of it for the past 20 years:
    Sickness isn't inevitable

    This lady prayed with a spiritual understanding of the 23rd Psalm:
    HEALED OF DIAGNOSED H1N1 FLU

    SAFE 'IN THE SECRET PLACE'

    On page 3 of this thread I gave a link (now unusable) to this talk in 2008 at Spirituality & Healing in Medicine conference, at Harvard Medical School and The Mind/Body Institute of Deaconess Hospital, and jointly sponsored by the John Templeton Foundation.
    Spiritual essence of the writings of Mary Baker Eddy

    Well I got there in the end!

    Love and Peace,

    Judy
     

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