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Medium....gifted or coldreading?

Discussion in 'Spiritualism' started by amy green, Jan 28, 2015.

  1. amy green

    amy green Well-Known Member

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    Whilst I do not wish to undermine those who have the psychic gift of mediumship, there are charlatans out there and this is what they can do...

     
  2. Energylz

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    Saw the whole Derren Brown show when it was on TV a few years back. He does a great job of highlighting how many people are taken in by charlatans. I remember being at such a gathering myself, and saw so many of these techniques being used and so many people being taken in by it.
     
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    p.s. in the whole show, he even does a performance himself using cold reading techniques, and the audience are taken in by it. It may even be on Channel 4 catch up still. (4OD)
     
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    Thanks...I wish more gullible people (i.e. those recently bereaved and seeking solace via a spiritualist church) could know about this cold reading. It is disgraceful preying on such defenceless people.
     
  6. scommstech

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    It is absolutely true that there are con artists and charlatans out there who pretend to be Mediums. Usually for money. It is also true that there are those who can and do contact ones who have "passed" on.
    Most people who want to contact "deceased" relatives are because of their very circumstances venerable to fraudsters.
    In my opinion if anyone wants to attempt this type of contact they should seek help from a recognised organisation such as a Spiritual church. Their members are more likely to be honest and reputable.

    I have known people who have passed themselves off as Mediums and I have also known "contacts " who have passed themselves off as something they were not.

    One has to be sensible when delving into this sort of thing. A golden rule that seems to be applicable is that any "contact" should really be expressing love. There should be no attempt to influence the recipient's way of life.

    All the contacts that the Medium has "brought through" for me have been deceased family members and they have only ever offered love. Many other people's contacts that I have "witnessed" seem to be directed at love, and reassuring the recipients that all is well, and for them not to be worrying about the person who has "passed" on.
     
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  7. NICE_1

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    I watched Derren Brown's performance of psychic surgery on one of his show's . (on t.v.)

    Perhaps he needs to go see the psychic surgeon I went to see in order to gets some kind of balanced perspective lols .

    What I noticed was that it was mainly to discredit psychic surgery rather than show how something legit can be faked .

    Same goes for cold reading etc ..

    x daz x
     
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  8. Energylz

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    I think the problem that Derren Brown and other sceptics have is that, whilst there are claims that some of these people are genuine, none have been able (or willing even) to demonstrate their abilities in controlled circumstances.
     
  9. amy green

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    I trust you mean mediumship and not psychic surgery!?
     
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    Well, perhaps both, I don't follow it all.

    Derren Brown did an excellent fake psychic surgery on his show, looked just like he was cutting the lad open and removing an organ. Easy to be convinced that it's real when it's not.
     
  11. amy green

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    Well I guess whoever is on the operating table might know the difference although the power of placebo can be pretty powerful!
     
  12. scommstech

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    I think that one of the main problems is that the "human" cannot control all the circumstances. Even referring to the Bible it appears that even Jesus could not always guarantee results.

    It is said that he had poor healing results in his home town because many people did not have faith in him. There has to be confidence in the process. A disbeliever's thoughts can upset the process. Even as has been suggested by Quantum theorist from as far away as across the galaxy.

    It is highly probable that if a program was advertised on TV as a demonstration that disenchanted viewers could effect the results. Funnily enough it appears that they could not effect the result once it has been observed.
     
  13. amy green

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    I don't really understand your example re. the TV programme ad. Can you describe what took place in more detail please? Viewing something on TV and supposedly affecting its results/outcome seems fraught with complications, e.g. how it can be measured and what are the other influencing factors.
     
  14. Energylz

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    I'm more interested in who these quantum theorists are who are far away across the galaxy. :D
     
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    Quantum research seems to suggest that observation can effect the result of a thought associated experiment. So if different people are observing an experiment or demonstration the outcome can be effected. If all the people expect a certain result it is more likely to happen. If all the people disbelieve then the results can change.

    Thought has an effect. There are some who desire public demonstrations of skills such as Mediumship and "spiritual" healing, but it is doubtful if it would be conclusive or acceptable to the public in general.

    I never actually said that a TV program had taken place I said that I doubted its validity if one actually did take place,
     
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    Ah OK ... you were theorising then. Yes I am familiar with quantum physics.
     
  17. scommstech

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    Not too sure all quantum research can be classed as just theory.
    Professor Higg's discovery of the "Higgs Boson" at the Cerne collider last year earned him a Nobel prize..

    His discovery is regarded as the answerer as to how a non mass particle can acquire mass...... Some may translate this as thought creating effect.
     
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    "Theory" has a specific meaning in science. It is not "just theory". It summarizes a hypothesis that has been supported with repeated testing. If enough evidence supports the hypothesis, it becomes a theory and is accepted as a valid explanation. This is quite different from the common usage of 'something someone made up'.
     
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    In the realm of metaphysics, thought creating effect is known as cosmic ordering or manifestation.
     
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    I wonder how string theory fits into this. From what I can gather it is a product of mathematical evaluation. If that is true then it must be repeatable, yet is string theory fully accepted.

    As a probability it certainly seems to explain how an energy is the fundamental building blocks of the body and by extension could align itself to homeopathy and many of the claims of resonance effects.
     

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