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  1. mac

    mac Active Member

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    I post elsewhere here and can't fathom whether I've seen this, the Spiritualism, forum before and simply forgotten about it....

    Disappointingly I can't see any recent contributions. This seems rather odd as there appears to have been postings until June this year. :confused:

    So, I'd better do something and not just whinge....:D

    I've found elsewhere, in other 'Spiritualism' forums, threads where mediums are mentioned but in ways I don't see as mediumship. The postings often come from individuals who, when asked, reveal that they see Spiritualism and being spiritual as the same thing. Dealing, then, with mediumship - or why it's not mediumship - is tricky.

    From a Modern Spiritualism perspective a medium is someone who is psychically sensitive and able to provide evidence of the survival of humankind beyond death.
    This they do by acting as a 'go-between' passing information ('messages') from discarnates (individuals in spirit) to incarnates (living humans) and vice versa. Often this communication is between friends and family. They are generally termed 'evidential messages'. Mediumship is, therefore, this mechanism.

    Mediumship has also been used to convey information from teachers and guides to humankind generally. Silver Birch with medium, Maurice Barbanell, is just such an example.

    Mediums may use various gifts such as clairvoyance and clairaudience in communication. These are, perhaps, two of the best-known but other forms have also been used.

    Spiritualists will already know all that although some may disagree???

    I'd love to hear from them and also from those who don't go along with the explanation above.
     
  2. mac

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    49 views, not one posting.

    What is going on? Has no-one anything to say? Are you all simply readers? :confused:
     
  3. Holistic

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    Hello Mac :wave:

    You may not have seen the Spiritualism forum before as it's fairly new, created earlier this year in response to members' requests in this thread in the Comments & Suggestions forum:

    http://www.healthypages.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=59125

    where, as in other forums across the boards, there was discussion about the differences between Spiritualism and Spirituality.

    Yes, HP is fairly quiet at the moment, though hopefully there WILL be responses to your interesting and informative post. :)

    Holistic
     
  4. fleur

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    You pose a few ideas there Mac, and it's hard to know where to start first..I am a nibbler, not for a big meal..soooooooooo...I will add to the discussion but not sure it answers any of your questions or ideas..


    Mediumship to me is indeed conversing with the discarnate, as a go between to the living, giving evidence perhaps of an existence beyond the constraints of the physical life.

    I have sat in spiritualist churches and listened to the passing forth from a Medium on platform to a willing recipient in the audience of various messages. Only the recipient of course can validate, or discern the truth in the messages. I have found for me as an onlooker it is totally boring..particularly when the whole session has been take up by one to one transmission as it were.

    I too have been in receipt of messages...sometimes most unexpected and I could validate the truth or not in that exchange.

    I sense spirit more frequently than I would care to at times, perhaps I could develop mediumship, but I choose not to. If a discarnate should manifest before my eyes...it would really scare me.

    A medium to me has the gifts of translating the energy from the discarnate to the carnate, I wonder if they need to translate it back..or do the discarnate know anyway?? Food for thought....I think they do :).

    A medium can be spiritual i.e. holding and emitting those virtuous qualities of compassion, caring, love etc..or...a medium can also be a wannabe, and hold nothing of the virtuous qualities and are nothing more than ego playing with the feelings of the bereft!

    A spiritual person does not necessarily have the gifts or sometimes curse? of mediumship.

    Wouldn't want you to be talking to yourself there Mac ;), here endeth the comments from the fleurry jury :cool:
     
  5. mac

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    I am grateful to you for replying, Holistic. I will check-out the link you've sent me later to catch up with events. Maybe rather too late to contribute to that topic thread? Thank goodness it wasn't just old age which meant I had forgotten it existed - it didn't! :D

    Spiritualism vs. spirituality eh? Wow, I didn't realise how topical I've been over the past summer as I travelled around for 3 months. I spent much of my time struggling to explain why 'spirituality' wasn't the same as 'Spiritualism' (capital 'S', religion, philosophy, you know...)

    I also spent hours explaining medium vs. psychic, helpers vs. guides and a whole load more. I had no idea what was going down elsewhere although I was also contributing to HP's other spiritual threads. All this while RVing the mid west States of the USA!

    I shall remain hopeful of responses....

    mac
     
  6. mac

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    Halleluiah! There is someone there! No need for a big meal on this one, fleur - I'm a fast-food adherent not a 5 courser!

    I understand your point about church platform mediumship. I don't do church - haven't done for years - BUT, and it's a big BUT - I totally support the notion of Spiritualist church. Our daughter was named in one and I'd like to be despatched by one of its ministers - not yet though! :D

    I reckon a spook :)D) would startle me witless, too. Not scare 'cos I'm not frit!, but startle me - like you would be if someone burst a paper bag behind you. Jeez, after everything I spout on about, it'd be a travesty if I was scared of a 'spook'! :D I'm joking but I DO understand the point you're making. Shame that's holding you back from what you'd like to do (;))...

    I described it as two way communication by a medium for those who don't properly understand - you, of course, do ;)

    Agreed about spiritual vs. non-spiritual...to a degree ;) BUT a wannabe isn't a medium until they become a medium.... They may be psychically sensitive but that's not mediumship. It's psychism. If you're an authentic, true medium (however we'd define it), it's almost certain that you're also spiritual. Don't ya reckon?

    PLEASE don't hold back on further comment - I'm bustin a gut here trying to get responses. All and any are welcome but particularly from those who care (need I say more?)

    mac :)
     
  7. Holistic

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    Well, I did post originally just to give you an update, as it were, and hopefully it's got the ball rolling, though my own experience of Spiritualism is limited, as indeed is my time on HP for now.

    I was going to suggest that you put 'Spiritualism' into HP's Search [on all forums] to find previous postings on the topic, and having tried that myself, I found many in Psychic & Paranormal, and that you've indeed already been there, done that! ;) :)

    Inevitably, there will be some overlaps of content, particularly with such a subject, and when you get around to viewing the link I gave earlier, you'll see that a clear case was put forward for giving Spiritualism it's own place within the religion forums.

    Holistic
     
  8. fleur

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    "I understand your point about church platform mediumship. I don't do church - haven't done for years - BUT, and it's a big BUT - I totally support the notion of Spiritualist church"

    Yes the spiritualist Church has it's value...as a place for the bereft to find comfort and solace, possibly contact. Also a great place for people in need of psychic development. I knew of a chap who was constantly bombarded by "the voices", and could not switch it all of....the spiritualist church offered guidance to him how to take back control..

    "Shame that's holding you back from what you'd like to do (;))..."

    No, its not what I would like to do, that's what "they" would like me to do and I am resisting....for personal reasons not for public forum:cool:


    "Agreed about spiritual vs. non-spiritual...to a degree ;) BUT a wannabe isn't a medium until they become a medium.... They may be psychically sensitive but that's not mediumship. It's psychism. If you're an authentic, true medium (however we'd define it), it's almost certain that you're also spiritual. Don't ya reckon?


    errmmmmm Derek Acorah pertains to being a medium. All he has done with the aid of the daft Most Haunted TV show IMO is brought ridicule to Mediumship, he to me is a wannabe! Is he spiritual?
     
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  9. Binah

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    Yes its a shame that some members requested a spiritualism forum and hopefully Mac you will kick start it into activity. You obviously have quite a bit of experience.

    I've been to several spiritualist churches one of which has a lovely atmosphere. I can see that giving messages to people from their departed loved ones is comforting but I wonder how helpful it is, I've only had one message and this was confused, but I know it was on the right track, however it was given to the person I went with who realised it was for me, so it was all a bit jumbled, some for her and some for me. Not quite sure why that happened.

    There's a part of me that doesn't like the idea of holding on emotionally to a loved one in spirit even though I feel presences of relatives that have passed on - so I think this deters me from attending.
    If that makes any sense.

    Binah
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  10. mac

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    Thanks for the further comments :) I've just had a chance to read through the postings - wish I'd spotted the discussion and been able to make representation but I'm not unhappy with the outcome, even without me. :D

    Some while ago, in the Spiritualist's Chatroom forum elsewhere, we debated the issue of whether 'Spiritualism' (and 'Spiritualist') should start with capital letters. Just one reason was to separate them from 'spiritual' - lower case 's', adjective - and from other 'spiritual' phrases with a wholly different emphasis.

    Most importantly, and this is mentioned in the discussions on HP, Spiritualism is a legally registered religion, with a structured organisation, ministers etc. It's not just the (often just aspirational) state of being spiritual....;)

    Spiritualism - religion, science, philosophy - is in the doldrums. I see much confusion about it in cyber space. I expect it's much the same in the real world.

    It helps to identify what it truly is - and particularly what it isn't - even if it's only in our little discussion forums. :)
     
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    "Yes its a shame that some members requested a spiritualism forum and hopefully Mac you will kick start it into activity. You obviously have quite a bit of experience."

    I'm a little confused.:confused: Did you mean "Yes it's a shame that some members needed to request that it had its own forum..."? Or were you meaning the forum hasn't been well supported after asking for it to be established?

    You're very flattering about my experience :eek: I do indeed have a lot of experience of the frustration associated with trying to support Spiritualism, trying to prevent it getting (mis)represented as something it's not... ;)

    The church is, of course, not Spiritualism. It's a focus, a meeting point for some adherents, a rallying point for those sharing a similar outlook, a place to help and teach.... Mediumship - the bedrock for the demonstration of it's fundamental principle of survival - is never a predictable experience. That is a matter of huge regret for me personally, not because I need it but because others do and they often don't experience communication at its highest level. The church alone can not take blame for that.

    In saying "There's a part of me that doesn't like the idea of holding on emotionally to a loved one in spirit even though I feel presences of relatives that have passed on..." you demonstrate very well just how poorly we are sending out the true message. :mad:
     
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    Is anyone out there?

    Yes, it's the ghost of Reiki past :hidesbehindsofa::eeeK::037:


    Can you hear me from the other side?
     
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  13. mac

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    :D:D Halloween and all that....?
     
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    I think I'll rephrase that cos its not a shame there is a Spiritualism forum, its a shame its been quiet for a while.

    I don't think what I say has much to do with how poorly, or otherwise you are 'sending out the true message'.

    I prefer to let them go on their journey and me on mine.

    Binah
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    "I prefer to let them go on their journey and me on mine."
    Wouldn't we all....?
     
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    170 viewings, not a single posting which added to the original's content - where are the Spiritualists?
     
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    Hi Mac...

    I connect to spirit on a personal level, and also see spirit with others but never connect with spirit for another person. But that's because I can't stand crowds !!

    I suppose it's very difficult to be a medium without an audience to participate with?.

    Not much fun talking to yourself ?. :)
     
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    Thanks for this observation. I get the impression that your type of contact is what many others still describe as mediumship.

    I feel a great deal of resentment and even hostility when I say that this form of communication is not what I understand as mediumship.

    I've needed to change my original form of words in such replies because I simply hadn't appreciated that the Spiritualist definition of 'medium' is very different from that used widely by non-Spiritualists.

    This hasn't, however, helped much. I still feel I'm seen as a detractor but the actuality of the situation was that originally I had challenged 'weird' stuff appearing in 'Mediuship' forums. Only then did I begin to tease out that there were some significant differences.

    But some issues would still be weird whatever definition of mediumship is used....:confused:
     
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    I was introduced to the writings of Paul Beard a past President of the College of Psychic Research, by a mutual friend and he spent years researching and finding evidence for life after death writing three books that i found both interesting and very readable.

    Though Paul died about 7 years ago he left an excellent legacy for anyone who is interested in the subject of mediumship. He dedicated most of his life to this fascinating subject.

    If anyone has any other authors who have written on the subject of life after death/spiritualism I would be most interested to hear about them.:)

    Binah
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  20. mac

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    Would I be right in thinking you're not a Spiritualist? ;)

    Psychic News' bookshop (can't send link because of forum rules) has any number of books on the subjects you mention, along with others on related topics. Where to start is the hard one - there are so many.

    Searching for or researching evidence of life after death is like re-inventing the wheel - why do it? No-one needs to search when there is a wealth of guidance already in the public domain.
     

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